tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8899950699213696889.post2676949566455895424..comments2023-04-03T08:38:47.532-05:00Comments on A New Testament Student: Hebrews 4:12 and ChristologyJosh McManawayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03503876183620206761noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8899950699213696889.post-90654710866858890332007-10-23T00:06:00.000-05:002007-10-23T00:06:00.000-05:00I obviously think there's evidence, or I wouldn't ...I obviously think there's evidence, or I wouldn't believe it. Odd question. At any rate, the argument is longer than I can completely articulate either in the comments or in a post, but it basically stems from Pauline theology being wrapped in Lukan vocabulary.Josh McManawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03503876183620206761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8899950699213696889.post-28439153029162776772007-10-22T15:43:00.000-05:002007-10-22T15:43:00.000-05:00So, you are saying that the author of Luke wrote i...So, you are saying that the author of Luke wrote it at the behest of Paul. Interesting proposal.<BR/><BR/>Is there any internal evidence that supports this? (in either Luke or Hebrews)<BR/><BR/>{I say there isn't; —what do you think?}<BR/><BR/><B>Ó</B>Quixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03126711689901268060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8899950699213696889.post-57570872954558095502007-10-22T03:01:00.000-05:002007-10-22T03:01:00.000-05:00It's a bit of a joke. It's not *obviously* Pauline...It's a bit of a joke. It's not *obviously* Pauline. I propose that Luke actually acted as Paul's amanuensis for this letter.Josh McManawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03503876183620206761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8899950699213696889.post-40795320204998532652007-10-22T02:15:00.000-05:002007-10-22T02:15:00.000-05:00How can you say it is obvious that Paul is the aut...How can you say it is obvious that Paul is the author of Hebrews? Obvious how? (be specific)Quixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03126711689901268060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8899950699213696889.post-58873494483666417472007-10-17T10:28:00.000-05:002007-10-17T10:28:00.000-05:00The Lutheran Carl Braaten, in his “Christian Dogma...The Lutheran Carl Braaten, in his “Christian Dogmatics” (1984), presents six different meanings for the phrase “Word of God.” Braaten writes:<BR/><BR/><I>First, the “Word of God” refers classically to the second person of the Trinity, who was coeternal with the Father. Second, the Word of God was the active agent and medium of the creation of the world. Third, the Word of God was preached by the prophets in the Old Testament. Fourth, the Word of God became flesh in the person of Jesus of Nazareth. Fifth, the Word of God was proclaimed by the apostles of Jesus Christ in the creating of the church. Later it was written down by the apostles and their disciples. The Bible is the written Word of God in a derived way; it is the deposit of preaching of the early church. Sixth, the Word of God is the living voice of the gospel in every generation of Christians to follow</I> (1:75).Steven Craig Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12406726074219330716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8899950699213696889.post-6498367360709280822007-10-16T22:50:00.000-05:002007-10-16T22:50:00.000-05:00You're 100th post. My 1st Response. I hereby ple...You're 100th post. My 1st Response. I hereby pledge to leave one comment to every 100 of your replies.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Honestly, that question of Paul not writing Hebrews hasn't really troubeled me, so I haven't put much thought to it. Maybe I have such a low (or maybe its high) view of scripture that I don't really care about those authorship questions.<BR/><BR/>As far as whether this verse is Christological, I think it is ok to read it that way. But whether Paul intended that I think might be a stretch. I really don't know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8899950699213696889.post-26805049767939790972007-10-16T22:43:00.000-05:002007-10-16T22:43:00.000-05:00Oh YEAH!!! http://irishanddangerous.blogspot.com/2...Oh YEAH!!! http://irishanddangerous.blogspot.com/2007/09/hebrew-412-13.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00570196313847615587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8899950699213696889.post-37046954671793712382007-10-16T19:00:00.000-05:002007-10-16T19:00:00.000-05:00Congrats on 100... I like to think that Paul wrote...Congrats on 100... <BR/><BR/>I like to think that Paul wrote Hebrews as well but I'm not so convinced that this is really the case. In ant event, I don't know that Paul ever used ο λογος του θεου in a explicitly Christological sense. The closest I can find is Titus 2:5 (I do accept Pauline authorship of Titus) when he encouraged self-control and submission so that ο λογος του θεου would not be <I>blasphemed</I> -- but even here the context seems to suggest that ο λογος του θεου is doctrine.<BR/><BR/>I don't know that Paul would have necessarily had scripture (i.e. the written record) in mind when using the phrase but it seems that whatever form ο λογος του θεου took, it was referring to words at the very least spoken.<BR/><BR/>Maybe I'm wrong... I don't know...Nick Norellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12476840322475063434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8899950699213696889.post-87693945643825328122007-10-16T13:37:00.000-05:002007-10-16T13:37:00.000-05:00Josh,Congratulations on 100 posts! I think this is...Josh,<BR/><BR/>Congratulations on 100 posts! I think this is a great post for #100.<BR/><BR/>I have not heard before that the phrase ο λογος του θεου in Heb 4:12 refers to Christ. I think this works well in the context of Heb 3-4.<BR/><BR/>-AlanAlan Knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07452247058550736803noreply@blogger.com